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Dr. Marcia Layton Turner

Bestselling Business Book Ghostwriter | Thought leadership, entrepreneurship, corporate histories

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Do ghostwriters get royalties?I'm frequently asked whether book ghostwriters earn or receive royalties on book sales. The answer is, that it depends.If you ask this question of a ghostwriter who regularly works with agents and traditional publishers, I suspect you'll hear "yes" much more frequently than if you asked a ghostwriter like me who works more with corporate clients who opt to publish independently. The reason, I suspect, is that traditional book deals with authors consist of two things: 1) an advance against royalties, calculated based on how well the book is expected to sell, and 2) royalties, which are a percentage of each book sale.When an author negotiates a fee for service with a ghostwriter, the ghostwriter is likely mainly concerned with being paid for their work, since they have no control over how well the book sells. If the author is well-known or has a large following, the ghostwriter may be willing to take a chance and receive a portion of their payment as part of the advance or royalties. But it's a risk and not all are willing to take it.The author can pay for a ghostwriter's services out of their own pocket or from their organization, based on a percentage of the advance (which in some cases ends up being 100%), and/or include a percentage of the future royalties earned. The deal can also include all three components.Authors frequently prefer that their ghostwriters have "skin in the game," which the writers can demonstrate by accepting a percentage of future royalties. However, asking a ghostwriter to accept royalties as a major portion of their compensation is a bit unfair, since their work can be stellar and the book may not sell well for a million reasons completely unrelated to the quality of their work.For that reason, ghostwriters may be reluctant to structure their compensation based heavily on future royalties, which may not even materialize. The advance paid up front to the author is based on potential future sales. Royalty payments only start once the advance is earned out. And many books never earn a cent of royalties.Accepting a royalty percentage as a big portion of the compensation package could result in the ghostwriter receiving nothing, or payments years in the future. So, do ghostwriters earn royalties? They can, yes, if the author offers it as part of their compensation package and the ghostwriter accepts it. But most ghostwriters don't want royalties to be the biggest component. It's too big a risk for them. Offering a royalty percentage as a bonus for strong sales, however, is more common.

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Judy Lane Boyer

Ghostwriter. Building an audience for YOUR practice, story, or expertise.

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When I was learning the business, my mentor said to never accept royalties as payment for a first-time client. It may be OK after 2-3 projects together when you've developed a good working relationship and have seen the level of investment they put into getting their books to sell.

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Dr./ Apostle Sheila Vaughn

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Do ghost writer charge $500 up front as a down payment? I don't have that type of money all at once , but if it's legal I will work on it I just don't want to be scammed. I'm new to being a author . I need answers

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There's never any guarantee, but I have an amazing story, I hope I get to tell before I die. If growing up in abusive Foster home in Gary, Indiana. Until now. But I've all but given up on a ghost writer because I'm not rich enough to pay someone they would have to take their chances on royalties.

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Will a ghostwriter take my completed 1st draft and rewrite it to make it better? Will the writing style no longer be mine?

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Dr./ Apostle Sheila Vaughn

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Thank you I meet a person they said and has a flyer that they are ghost writer and total cost $2500 and the down payment is $500. I new to this I wanted to talk some one who is experienced. Thank you so much .

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Dr./ Apostle Sheila Vaughn

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It noted on here and hat your the best I want to know and learn not to make a mistake.

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