what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
Koolls(Chemical)
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No Loop Or Do Not Pocket in terms of pipelines - are they same meaning? in that case why used in different occasions? Pls. clarify
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
JLSeagull(Electrical)
"Do not pocket" means that the vapor can condense and perhaps fill the vapor line with liquid if it is not level or sloping toward the next piece of equipment.An example would be if the line drops to a lower level then rises thus forming a loop that could fill with liquid; like the surge control return lines on the HP compressors at the last offshore platform where I once worked.
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
ash9144(Chemical)
JL is right on. It applies to liquid lines as well.You slope the line to the point it is supposed to drain to.
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
StevenHPerry(Mechanical)
I think the question was more what is the difference between a loop and a pocket.
We've got what a pocket is.
Adding an expansion loop does not necessarily mean creating a pocket, but if you can't flat turn a line out of the rack there will be a pocket (i.e. if you're trying to loop a line sandwiched between other lines, you got to go up and over more than likely).
Why would a P&ID declare "no loop"?I have to guess... maybe because the line is very sensitive to pressure drop or a turn might separate a mixed flow?
I've only seen "no loop" on P&IDs produced by a ChemE "process engineer."I haven't seen such a note by a M.E.
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RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
JLSeagull(Electrical)
Perhaps it was the mechanical engineers that prepared the P&ID's for my 26,000 hp gas turbine driven multiple stage compressor packages and pocketed the outlet of the surge valves returning to the upstream suction scrubber.
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
Shrivallabha(Chemical)
I've seen this for condensate recovery headers as well which collect the condensate coming from steam traps. Pressure drop is the major concern.
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
Gator(Industrial)
This is extremely important in air separation plants in the oxygen (and O2-rich) streams. Hydrocarbons can collect over time and make things nastily go boom due to various factors.
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
mort78(Chemical)
No loop applies on floating platforms where an expansion loop at trim can create a pocket. It's unusual for it to be a problem but when it is trying to prove that you can still vent through the line is a major head-ache!
RE: what is the meaning of "No Loop Or Do Not Pocket"?
stanier(Mechanical)
In Jet A1 systems water can separate out. In some aircraft with aluminium fuel tanks bacteria living in this water excrete acids that cause pin hole leaks. Thus it is common for all piping to the filter coalescers to totally drain. Hence no pockets, sloping lines etc. Even changes between sch 5s and 10s piping have the internal welds ground out to prevent pockets of water.
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No-pocket lines have a layout that allows liquid to drain down and vapor to vent up, obviating vents or drains. Process or startup and shutdown conditions may set the line sizing. If the liquid and vapor flow in the same direction during normal operation, very little extra care is needed.
An air pocket implies a relatively large volume of air, likely to accumulate on top of the pipe cross section. The pockets may travel along the line to peaks. There they will either remain in equilibrium, be entrained by the flowing water or be released through air valves.
"Do not pocket" means that the vapor can condense and perhaps fill the vapor line with liquid if it is not level or sloping toward the next piece of equipment.
Air-release valves are an essential component in the design of system piping. These valves are hydro-mechanical devices that vent pockets of air as they accumulate in a system. In general, as the liquid is pumped, entrained air will bubble up to the high points in the system piping.
Free draining means that the line can totally drain in either or both directions to empty the line. No pockets means that there should be no liquid traps. The resulting piping configuration described by these two notes will often be the same.
A pocket is a bag- or envelope-like receptacle either fastened to or inserted in an article of clothing to hold small items. Pockets are also attached to luggage, backpacks, and similar items. In older usage, a pocket was a separate small bag or pouch.
These surges, especially in force mains weakened by corrosion, can cause intensive and severe damage to pipelines, resulting in soil and water source polluting leakage, and health endangering pathogen and contaminant intrusion to drinking water transmission systems.
Definition of 'pocket' pocket. (pɒkɪt ) countable noun [oft poss NOUN, noun NOUN] A pocket is a kind of small bag which forms part of a piece of clothing, and which is used for carrying small things such as money or a handkerchief.
If you are out of pocket, you have less money than you should have or than you intended, for example because you have spent too much or because of a mistake. Card fraud causes huge inconvenience and the experience can often leave you out of pocket.
having more money than you started with after an activity involving money: Even when we've paid all our expenses, we should still be several hundred pounds in pocket. Investors who put money into funds before the start of 2000 are actually still in pocket. Compare. out of pocket mainly UK.
The term “NO POCKET” means no liquid pocket in the line. When it's necessary to prevent vapor pockets, the note will read “NO VAPOR POCKETS”. For “NO POCKET” lines elevation changes are either vertically up or vertically down, but not both.
Patch, flap, and side seam pockets are the three primary varieties of pockets. The standard pocket that is sewn to the clothing is the patch pocket. Side seam pockets are slits in the garment with a pocket pouch within, while flap pockets include a flap that covers the pocket opening.
Let's take a look at how these are commonly represented. – NO LINE: The instrument is located in the field near the process & operator. – SOLID LINE: The instrument is located in a control room (accessible to the operator). – DOTTED LINE: The instrument is not directly accessible.
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